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Salim Lamrani gives
us an interview with one of the most profound intellectuals of the
Americas. Miguel Barnet was recently re-elected president of UNEAC.
Jane Franklin
http://www.janefranklin.info
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:22:07 +0100
From: lamranisalim@yahoo.fr
Subject: Miguel Barnet Lanza : "We want a relationship with the United
States, but on equal terms, a relationship of reciprocity and
non-interference in internal affairs."
To:
Here's my latest conversation with Miguel Barnet, President of the Unión
Nacional de Escritores y Artistas de Cuba, a member of Parliament, a
member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Cuba and a
member of the Cuban Council of State.
Feel free to forward.
Best,
Salim
A Conversation with Miguel Barnet Lanza
"We want a relationship with the United States, but on equal terms, a
relationship of reciprocity and non-interference in internal affairs."
Salim Lamrani
International Journal of Cuban Studies / The Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/salim-lamrani/a-conversation-with-migue_b_5532818.html
Miguel Barnet Lanza is a major figure in Cuban culture. President of
the Union of Writers and Artists of Cuba (UNEAC), an organization he
founded, Barnet is a writer, ethnographer, anthropologist, essayist and
poet. He is also a leading politician. A member of Parliament, a member
of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Cuba and a member of
the Cuban Council of State, he is close to Fidel and Raúl Castro.
Born in Havana on January 28, 1940, Barnet first attended school in
the United States and then studied anthropology at the University of
Havana's Institute of Anthropology and Folklore under the aegis of Don
Fernando Ortiz, the founder of Cuban anthropology. Ortiz was a
specialist in Afro-Cuban culture and is considered to be the third
discoverer of Cuba, after Christopher Columbus and Alexander von
Humboldt. In homage to his master, Barnet, a Doctor of Historical
Sciences, created the Fernando Ortiz Foundation of which he is
president.
But first and foremost Barnet is a great representative of Cuba and
its culture. His work is rich, varied and internationally recognized.
Combining literature and anthropology, Biography of a Runaway Slave
[Biografía de un cimarrón], a work of extraordinary richness,
first appeared in 1966 and has been published in more than 70 different
editions around the world. It has also engendered several plays and a
number of folk songs. Barnet is the most widely published of all Cuban
authors, not only in Cuba, but also around the world.
A member of the Cuban Academy of Language, Barnet has worked with the
greatest of Cuban intellectuals, Alejo Carpentier and Nicolás Guillén
for example. He was also a member of the Executive Board of UNESCO from
1996 to 2006 and is regularly invited to lecture at the most prestigious
universities in the United States and throughout the world.
He has received multiple awards, including the Félix Varela Order,
the National Prize for Literature (Cuba), the García Lorca Prize (Spain)
and the Medal of the City of Cologne in Germany. He received the José
Donoso Prize in Chile for his life's work and the Juan Rulfo Prize in
France. Also a scenarist, his film La Bella del Alhambra received
in 1990 Goya Award in Spain for the best Spanish-language foreign film.
Miguel Barnet is deeply in love with his island. "I am married to
Cuba," he likes to say in reference to his celibacy. Affable and
appreciated by all, he has the reputation of being extremely
knowledgeable. During these conversations, Barnet comments on the
economic and social reforms undertaken by Raul Castro. He does not avoid
such controversial issues as the space reserved for critical debate in
Cuba, or the issues of racism, human rights and generational change.
Barnet also expresses himself on the state of the island nation's
relations with the United States. The dialogue ends with his comments on
the future of Cuba.
Salim Lamrani: Miguel Barnet, more than a half of century after the
triumph of the Revolution of 1959, Cuba is at a crossroad. Could you
tell us something about the process of updating the economic model
launched by President Raul Castro in 2010? What are its root causes and
prospects?
Miguel Barnet: In the beginning we were a bit
too dogmatic in our conception of socialism. We feared the emergence of
a middle class, rich and ostentatious. We needed to control the means of
production and the relations of production. All of this is quite
legitimate, but it is time to find alternative routes - always socialist
- perhaps usufruct, as the country will never sell its land and never
lose control of its strategic resources. It is unthinkable that the
Cuban Revolution might sell its land at auction. This is something
sacred for all Cubans. But I think there has been some stagnation in our
society and we are in the process of addressing this problem. I am happy
about this turn of events because we need to adapt to the pace of our
times. The correlation of forces is different today. While there is no
more Cold War, there is a lukewarm war with the United States that
prevents us from developing as we would like.
So updating the economic model is truly a breakthrough for all Cubans.
From a theoretical point of view, the lineamientos (guidelines)
have been very well designed, notably by our number one economist,
Marino Murillo. I participated in the Party Conference, especially in
the meetings that concerned culture. The challenge, however, lies in the
implementation of the new economic regulations, but I think we are on
the right path.
SL: Could you give us a concrete example?
MB: Certain enterprises need to change their structure. For
example, the food industry must go through a radical change because it
is not possible that the Revolution, which has been so generous with
regard to education, public health, culture and social security, should
take charge of restaurants, bars and other food outlets. I have always
defended the existence of private family restaurants, known as
paladars in Cuba. I am convinced that this type of secondary economy
should not be controlled by the state. The State may reserve to itself
the right to administer certain iconic businesses, whether historic
hotels or restaurants, because they are part of the national heritage.
But with regard to small enterprises, they should be managed by
well-intentioned people who simply rent a space, buy products and pay
taxes.
In order to allow this to happen, we needed to create a wholesale market
[something that in fact occurred on December 20, 2013]. We recognize
that the investment is considerable. Although this is truly the key
point of our new business model, it is at the same time our Achilles
heel. Still, it is essential to our development. As Raúl Castro said, we
follow this path "without haste, but without pause" (sin prisa pero
sin pausa). Our reforms are quite positive and respond to the idea
of building a "socialism of the twenty-first century". We often speak of
cultural, ethnic or sexual diversity. But economic diversity is
important as well. It is primordial that all Cubans come to grips with
these economic issues with seriousness, diligence and discipline so that
they may become the principal actors within this renewal.
We are not a rich country. We are basically an agricultural country. At
the triumph of the Revolution we were pretentious enough to try to
become an industrialized nation. Our ambition was not crowned with
success, but we nevertheless managed to develop world class medical,
pharmaceutical and biotechnological industries. All of this has been
achieved despite the very real obstacles that the United States economic
blockade imposes upon us; something that since 1960 has cost us hundreds
of billions of dollars.
SL: What about culture?
MB: The new Cuban business model also relates directly to the
spiritual life of the people, to our culture. This is an absolute
necessity and something of primordial important if we are to ensure the
development of the nation. It is undeniable that spiritual values have
strengthened the base of the Cuban Revolution.
Culture must always be subsidized by the state. Libraries, books, music,
art education, film, must all be state subsidized because they promote
the cultural policies of the nation. We can accept contradictions in
economic policies, but surely not in cultural policies.
Recall that our illustrious personages, our national heroes, were not
only great warriors, great politicians, but also men and women of
culture. José Martí, our national poet, united two generations: that of
1868 and that of 1895. These were generations that witnessed two
terrible fratricidal wars that eventually led to independence. Fidel
Castro, the historic leader of the Revolution, is a man of great
culture, a thinker of the first order, who has helped to build a new
Latin America, one that is emancipated and unequivocally independent.
In terms of culture, it is imperative not to submit to economic
considerations. Culture does not have to be profit-making. Its role is
much higher. Whenever economic considerations are introduced into the
cultural arena, we fall into the trap of mass culture, the culture of
banality, the culture of mediocrity, of violence, of pornography, etc.
We must pay close attention to that. In order to ensure that their
output may be of excellent quality, theaters and cinemas should enjoy
the support of the state. We have always defended this principle. If we
do not compromise on this fundamental principle, we are saved. However,
if culture falls into the hands of private entrepreneurs, it will be
permanently lost. This must be avoided at all cost and, in fact, the new
model of society that we propose preserves the cultural sector and its
core values.
SL: Some stress that the space reserved for critical debate in Cuba
is rather limited. How do you analyze it?
MB: I invite these critics to attend meetings where profound
discussions occur. For example, the Union of Cuban Writers and Artists (UNEAC)
is a laboratory for debate, a forum where all viewpoints are
represented. There is a real diversity of opinion within the UNEAC. We
organize panel discussions continually throughout the year. Our National
Assembly is a hotbed of debate each time it meets. Sometimes we are
critical, other times, hypercritical, but we never fall into the trap of
indifference or indolence.
All Cuban cultural centers are open to critical debate and reserve space
for it. Catauro, the journal that I lead, is one example among
others. We have covered the most controversial issues.
SL: For example?
MB: We have addressed such issues as poverty, marginal
neighborhoods, internal migration, sexuality and racism. We have even
discussed raising livestock and the sugar industry, which has been
dismantled. All of these topics are discussed without any taboos,
despite their sensitive nature. And I am speaking only of our
publication.
Also take the journal Temas, which is extraordinarily rich and
organizes debates every Thursday. There are also regular debates at the
National Library and, indeed, all across the country.
Why are we debating so much? The role of artists and intellectuals is to
create and reflection is fundamental if we are to accomplish our
function. Debate is good, healthy and legitimate, whether the themes it
treats are cultural or political. We want to build a more democratic
socialism, one that is more open, more participatory, and in order to do
this debate is essential.
I am a supporter of debate. My role as president of the UNEAC and
president of the Fernando Ortiz Foundation is to stimulate debate and
the exchange of ideas.
SL: The Fernando Ortiz Foundation was one of the first institutions
to address the theme of race in Cuba.
MB: We initiated one of the first debates on this subject in
Cuba, under the title of "integration and racism." It is inconceivable
that racial prejudice might exist within socialism and discrimination
based on race even more so.
In terms of sexuality and sexual diversity, Mariela Castro's
organization, CINESEX, is doing a great job. Cuba is one of the most
advanced countries in terms of gender equality. No one in Cuba need be
ashamed of being gay any longer.
SL: Different types of prejudice persist nonetheless.
MB: There are still lingering prejudices toward sexual diversity,
just as unfortunately some racist prejudices persist. But we cannot say
that in Cuba there is racial discrimination. I experienced racism and I
have dedicated much of my life to combating it, and not just in my
poetry, El Cimarron, or my writings. I have dedicated my life to
it and I have thoroughly studied the issue. I can tell you that it is
wrong to say that in Cuba there is racism.
It is true that there is still a residue of racial prejudice that has
not been eliminated by the measures taken since 1959. The first and
fiercest opponent of racism was Fidel Castro who, after the triumph of
revolution took the first concrete steps toward eliminating it by
opening the beaches, social clubs and schools to all Cubans. Blacks and
mulattos did not have access to these facilities before 1959. There were
private beaches for whites in Cuba. I remember this perfectly well.
There were virtually no black doctors. Whites had their own clubs where
blacks were excluded. Blacks had to found their own clubs, one of which
was the famous Club Atenas, where Fernando Ortiz gave keynote lectures.
There was a policy of racial segregation. That was Cuban reality before
the Revolution!
The Revolution was not made for blacks or for whites, but for the humble
and without doubt, among the most humble was the black population. There
was no real integration such as we have now. Today, the President of the
Cuban Parliament, Esteban Lazo, is black. Mercedes López Acea Lázara,
the secretary of the Cuban Communist Party in the province of Havana,
the largest province in the country, is a black woman. She is also Vice
President of the State Council.
SL: Do you think that the criticism levied on the subject of racism
is overstated?
MB: I must admit that it hurts me to hear it said that there is
heightened racism in Cuba, because it is simply not the truth. I repeat,
racial prejudices still persist and cannot be eliminated in the blink of
an eye, because they are deeply rooted in the collective memory and the
subjectivity of each of us. But, this problem can be solved through
education, starting within the family itself, and then in primary school
through university. The fight against racial prejudice is first of all a
family responsibility, then that of the educational system. We must
conduct a ceaseless struggle against this prejudice so that no one can
be discriminated against because of the color of his or her skin.
Blacks have made an extraordinary contribution to Cuban culture.
Fernando Ortiz was my master. There is no better person than him to
promote Cuba's African heritage in its purest and most legitimate
dimension. I am a disciple and servant of his work. Ortiz was white, yet
he fought the fierce and criminal racism of his era.
SL: What are the measures taken against discrimination in the
cultural world?
MB: I think that discrimination and prejudice of any kind,
whether directed at blacks, women or homosexuals, is culturally
atavistic. We must always be ashamed of it and fight it with all of our
strength. In order to do this within the UNEAC we have created the José
Antonio Aponte Commission against discrimination and racism. Aponte was
a black man of great prestige. He was a draftsman and a carpenter who,
following the example of Bolivar, organized the slave uprising of 1812.
Along with his comrades in arms he was decapitated and his head paraded
through Havana for having dared to challenge the Spanish empire.
There are also people who exploit the racial issue. This is certainly a
part of the ideological war waged against us by the United States. In
the United States, there is still racial compartmentalization, even if
there are black figures in politics, in the cultural sector or in sport.
There is still segregation that separates whites from blacks. In Cuba,
we will never create exclusively black organizations, for example. This
would only exacerbate racism and discrimination. José Martí said that we
are all Cubans, regardless of the color of our skin. Being Cuban is far
more important that being white, black or mulatto, especially in a
revolutionary process like ours, a socialist process where no
discrimination whatsoever should exist. One should reflect deeply on
these issues and not sow the seeds of discord and division among
Cubans.
SL: Do dissidents have the opportunity to speak out in Cuba?
MB: All Cubans are free to express themselves. Don't our
dissidents have their own blogs? Are they not constantly active on the
Internet? Are they not granted more space in the Western press than me,
even though I am the president of UNEAC, even though my books are
translated into more than twenty languages, even though my book
Biografía de un cimarrón is available internationally in 70
different editions? I invite you to compare the media space granted
Cuban dissidents in the international press with that accorded to all
members of the UNEAC, the group that represents the world of culture,
knowledge and creation in Cuba. Opponents are ten, twenty, thirty times,
more present than we are in the Western press. They are absolutely
everywhere. They express themselves freely and travel around the world,
all expenses paid, on tours worthy of heads of state. I will mention no
one, but you know who I mean. Just read the press. If tomorrow I attempt
to publish an article in the New York Times, this will be a very
difficult task. However, some of our opponents publish regularly in
newspapers around the world.
SL: Do you think that there is bias in the media?
MB: In the 1980s, when my books were published in Spain by the
Alfaguara publishing house, I was constantly asked for comments by the
press. Now look at what has happened to a newspaper like El País,
which reserves its pages to dissidents and states that whoever chooses
to live in Cuba is either a coward, a sheep, or in error. They claim
that those who support the Cuban Revolution - and this includes me - are
either stupid or opportunistic. Now I do not think that Nicolás Guillén,
Alejo Carpentier or Leonardo Padura are either cowards, sheep, or
opportunists. On the contrary, I am very proud to support the Cuban
Revolution, which was radical at the outset. I am very proud to have
been born in Cuba.
SL: Do you support criticism, even that emanating from sectors of the
opposition?
MB: I respect diversity of opinion and I believe that an intelligent and
serious opposition is necessary to the dynamics of the revolutionary
process, because criticism is always constructive. On the other hand, I
have no respect for people who are financed by a foreign power, who
receive money from the diplomatic representatives of the United States
here in Havana for the purpose of establishing a program of subversion
and who then travel around the world claiming that they are prosecuted
and discriminated against in Cuba. These remarks of mine are hardly
controversial. All of this information is public and publicly recognized
by the government of the United States. Washington admits that it
finances the Cuban opposition for purposes of "regime change." This
program is enshrined in such legislation as the Torricelli Act of 1992,
the Helms-Burton Act of 1996 or the reports of the Commission for
Assistance to a Free Cuba in 2004 and 2006. Again, this is all public
and known to all.
SL: You say that opponents can express themselves freely. Yet they
are not present in the National Assembly.
MB: To be present in Parliament, you must earn the trust of
voters. Nothing prevents these dissidents from standing as candidates.
Why do they not do so? Because they have no popular base. The Cuban
people reject those who are in the pay of a foreign nation. Our
independence cost us dearly and a lot of blood has been shed to achieve
it. Many honest Cubans have sacrificed for it, and are worthy of the
greatest of all virtues: that of "feeling useful", as José Martí said.
You cannot get into the National Assembly by spinning lies or by
treachery. Scoundrels do not have a place there. You cannot profit for
your own sake from the contradictions of the revolution.
I respect critical dissent that helps to create, to construct and to
build for a better future. I have great respect for those who are trying
to build a more democratic and participatory socialism. I have no
respect for those who want the restoration of capitalism in Cuba. We do
not want or need a consumer society.
SL: It is often said that Cuba is still led by the historic
generation that made the revolution and the country is thus dominated by
a "gerontocracy."
MB: It is always useful to compare the rhetoric, the dominant
discourse, with factual reality. I invite the people who say this to go
to Cuba and see the average age of the secretaries of the Communist
Party in each of the five provinces of the country. It is less than 50.
In the National Assembly, the average age is 48, even taking into
account that there are among these deputies elected members of the
historic generation who are now more than 80 years old. This means that
there are many young members. There are also many women MPs, almost
half.
I believe in the generation that will take over from the historic
generation. I believe in this kind of democracy, in a participatory
democracy. The reform project we talked about was discussed everywhere.
Issues that concern me, particularly culture and society, ware debated
in my neighborhood, in the Fernando Ortiz Foundation, in UNEAC and at
the National Assembly. I say - and these are measured comments - that
there is more democracy in Cuba than in the United States and in many
Western countries. Some will accuse me of exaggerating, but I am
convinced of this. It does not mean of course that we have created a
perfect society, far from it. We have our problems, our shortcomings and
our contradictions, all of which we are trying to resolve. But we want
to resolve them by ourselves, without foreign interference.
SL: You believe that Cuban society is more democratic than that of
the United States?
MB: Absolutely. Here, there are no children in the streets,
abandoned to their fate. There are no older people without the security
of a social support network. It is true that salaries are low, but the
most vulnerable are not left to fend for themselves as is the case in
most of the countries that attempt to teach us lessons.
SL: What is the importance of culture for Cuba?
MB: Let me tell you a story. Following the demise of the Soviet
Union in 1991, we experienced an economic crisis such as we had never
seen before. We found ourselves alone, abandoned by all, delivered to
our fate. There was nothing to eat in the country. We all suffered from
hunger. At a meeting of the UNEAC, amidst all of these difficulties and
shortages, Fidel Castro said: "The first thing that must be saved is
culture." He knew perfectly well that culture would safeguard the values
required for sustainability. Culture strengthens you in every battle,
especially in a battle like ours, an endless struggle against a United
States that refuses to accept a sovereign Cuba.
SL: In the West, in Europe and the United States, whenever one
mentions Cuba, the issue of human rights immediately arises. What do you
say to those who stigmatize Cuba on this subject?
MB: I would say there is no freedom without justice and without
social equality. The most important right is the right to life. Life
without health, without education is a life without culture, a life that
is not worth living. I will say no more.
SL: How is Fidel Castro and how does he use his time?
MB: I think Fidel Castro is in good health given the
circumstances. He dedicates his time to writing, and I believe that his
thoughts have great political depth. The different volumes he has
published constitute a master class for politicians and intellectuals. I
consider myself a Marxist, and I am in favor of dialectical and
historical materialism, because without class struggle, it is impossible
to interpret history. I became a revolutionary through the speeches and
actions of Fidel Castro. I was prepared to go to live in the United
States, to work there at a university, but finally, I stayed. I had my
contradictions from the beginning. I have a poem entitled "Revolution"
that says: "Entre tú y yo hay un montón de contradicciones que se
juntan para hacer de mí el sobresaltado que se humedece la frente y te
edifica" [Between you and me many contradictions come together to
make of me the exalted one who with dampened brow enlightens you.] I do
not deny my own contradictions and we have all lived in the midst of
these contradictions. But for my part, they have strengthened and
enriched me.
Fidel is a man who is very attached to people. I remember his speech on
climate change in 1991 in Brazil, and the dangers it represents for us.
What insight! He was ahead of his time. We are in the process of
destroying our planet. At a recent meeting I had with him, I was deeply
affected by his interest in nature and ecology. He has studied both
thoroughly and he cares deeply about the future of the human race. He is
a great humanist. Whenever I have the privilege of being with him, I
like to listen to him because he is a moral giant. That is why another
giant, Chávez, considered Fidel to be a father figure and followed his
example when he achieved integration of the Americas through the ALBA
(Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas), thereby placing Latin America on
the highest of pedestals. Thanks to the Cuban Revolution and Fidel
Castro, Latin America has changed its destiny. Fidel Castro is one of
the greats of this continent, someone who occupies a place alongside
Bolívar and Martí. The only difference is that he is alive. What a
privilege to live in the era of Fidel Castro!
SL: How do you explain the presence of Raúl Castro in power? Some
speak of nepotism.
MB: Raúl Castro is not President of Cuba because of his
relationship to his brother, Fidel Castro, but rather because his
presidency has historical legitimacy and also because he was elected.
Raúl I know because I frequently encounter him in the National Assembly
or at meetings of the Party Committee. If Fidel's Cuba, with all its
complexities and problems, is tattooed on his body and on his heart, it
is exactly the same for Raúl Castro. He is absolutely aware of all of
the country's problems, whether societal or economic. Raúl deserves all
possible accolades. Do you know what Raúl's middle name is?
SL: No.
MB: His full name is Raúl Modesto. I think that middle name suits
him very well, because he has been modest throughout the revolutionary
process. He demonstrates every day that he deserves his position. He is
very close to Fidel, as he has been throughout his life, whether at the
Moncada, in the Sierra Maestra or after the triumph of the Revolution.
SL: Let's talk about relations with the United States. Is Cuba
willing to normalize relations with Washington?
MB: Cuba is ready and prepared for normalization. The Cuban
people have a political consciousness that has been developed through
our experiences. We have had many strikes against us for half a century
and we have suffered many disappointments. Our relationship with the
United States has been complex since the days of George Washington and
Thomas Jefferson. The United States had always been intent upon seizing
Cuba and the entire continent. When they realized that this was
impossible because Latin America had produced such men as Miranda and
Bolivar, they fell back on a more modest goal, that of seizing Cuba,
Puerto Rico and the Philippines.
But Cuba had its own warriors capable of making the ultimate sacrifice
for freedom. Our heroes burned their own homes and properties and took
up arms against Spain. But the United States destroyed our dream of
independence with its intervention in 1898 and the imposition of the
Platt Amendment (on the Cuban constitution), actions that allowed them
to dominate us. Moreover, the criminal blockade imposed on us by
Washington for half a century now is a way of subjecting us to its
insatiable desire for domination. It is a way of imposing perpetual
obstacles to our economic development. But it is also a way for them to
feel present in Cuba, because the United States has never accepted
having lost control of our country in 1959. They want to impose their
hegemonic power, they want to strangle us.
Cuba has always been disposed to dialogue and negotiation. As people we
are close to each other, we are brothers. U.S. culture has always had a
great influence in Cuba. Jazz was born in the United States, but it is
also Caribbean. Jazz is a process of transculturation and a
hybridization of Caribbean rhythms and genres. We have contributed to
the development of Latin jazz. Thanks to these influences, we never fell
into the trap of schematism, or into that horrid thing called socialist
realism.
The American people and particularly its artists have a lot of respect
for us, but the U.S. government does not respect the dignity of the
Cuban people. Our people have been defiled and humiliated by the
interventions of the United States throughout our history. Cuban
separatists who had fought for more than 30 years against the Spaniards
were prevented from entering Santiago de Cuba by the U.S. Army in 1898.
This affront will be forever etched in the memory of our people.
SL: Let's talk now about the case of the five Cuban agents imprisoned
in the United States since 1998 for infiltrating violent Cuban exile
groups. One of them, René González, was released in October 2011 after
having served his sentence. A second, Fernando González, was also
released in February 2014. Do you think a political solution can be
found in this case?
MB: The Five, as we call them here in Cuba, are very dear to the
Cuban cause. They are held close to the hearts of more than 11 million
Cubans. We have repeatedly called for their release because they are
innocent. They were sentenced for fighting against terrorism, for
preventing attacks against our country. I would remind you that since
the triumph of the Revolution, 3,478 Cubans have died because of
terrorist attacks carried out by the CIA and Cuban exiles. I hope that a
political solution will be found quickly.
SL: Is Cuba willing to make a humanitarian gesture in the case of
Alan Gross, a U.S. State Department employee who has been jailed in
Havana since 2009 and is serving a 15-year sentence in prison for
providing material support to the opposition?
MB: I cannot answer this question because it is not my role to do
so. But, from a personal point of view - and this is only my opinion -
that were the United States to liberate the Cuban Five, Alan Gross would
return home immediately. I speak as Miguel Barnet, not on behalf of the
nation.
SL: What kind of relationship does Cuba want with the United States?
MB: We want a relationship with the United States, but on equal
terms, a relationship of reciprocity and non-interference in internal
affairs. Our independence has required many sacrifices of us. Many good
and noble women and men have lost their lives for the freedom of our
country. We are not therefore disposed to negotiating our sovereignty.
We do not want relations based on submission, asymmetry or inequality.
We wish to live with dignity and we are not ready to give it up.
The United States is unable to understand our idiosyncrasies. I had the
privilege of going to the Institute for International Relations and I
remember my meeting in New York with William Rogers, who had served as
Secretary of State under Nixon, that is to say, he has been their
minister of foreign affairs. We hit it off well and he invited me to
lunch. He asked me where I had learned to speak English. I told him that
I had studied the language in Cuba, but that I had also lived in the
United States. "Then why do you live in Cuba?" he asked. "For the same
reason that leads you to live in the United States, because I was born
in Cuba," I replied. "But are there not too many problems there?" he
insisted. "No more than here. You know this better than me because you
were Secretary of State. And this is not to mention the problems you
have created worldwide," I retorted. I then asked why successive U.S.
administrations had failed to understand the Cuban Revolution and Fidel
Castro, while we had only wanted normal relations. You know what he
said?
SL: What did he say?
MB: He told me verbatim: "It is because we are used to dealing
with losers and Fidel Castro is a winner." I thanked him and I think
that this was the deepest, most profound political reply that I have
ever received concerning the conflict between Cuba and the United
States.
SL: How do you see Cuba's future?
MB: I do not have a crystal ball, but I see the future of Cuba as
I would like it to be, with young people making the necessary changes
and building a more egalitarian and democratic socialism. I strongly
believe in the youth who, for the most part, are revolutionary. You need
only give them the opportunity and the space and they will create their
own way. I've always been very optimistic, despite all the blows that
life has dealt us, and I am happy to live in Cuba.
Translated from the French by Larry R. Oberg.
A Doctor of Iberian and Latin-American Studies at the University of
Paris IV-Sorbonne, Salim Lamrani is a lecturer at the University of La
Réunion and a journalist specializing in relations between Cuba and the
United States.
Salim Lamrani's latest book is The Economic War Against Cuba,
New York, Monthly Review Press, 2013, with a prologue by Wayne S. Smith,
a foreword by Paul Estrade and translated by Larry R. Oberg.
http://www.amazon.fr/Cuba-m%C3%A9dias-face-d%C3%A9fi-limpartialit%C3%A9/dp/2953128433/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376731937&sr=1-1
Contact:
lamranisalim@yahoo.fr ;
Salim.Lamrani@univ-reunion.fr
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